Wii usb loader gx vidtv patch. It was only the FN made Browning rifles that had the year prefix in the serial number. Manual de derecho tributario villegas pdf. Maybe I didn't say that correctly the first time. If you have found a 1965 Browning gun it will have a 5L 1234 serial number.
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Post subject: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
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This guide is for the Browning A5 16 gauge only. Browning 12ga numbers began with number 1 in 1903. The 16ga number 1 began in 1909. The two sets of numbers are different. A common mistake I have seen in many, many, gun shops and online sites is to assign the 12ga serial number date to a 16ga. I compiled this quick reference serial number guide for dating 16ga Browning A5s and the Auto 5-3 Shot, by serial number. I decided to share it here since this is where much of my limited knowledge came from. The serial number and dates are approximations only. These dates were gleaned primarily from Sauerfan's timeline and the Shirley/Vanderlinden book. Details about dates, transitions, exceptions, and other nuances can be found in the Shirley/Vanderlinden book, Browning Auto 5 Shotguns. I took the liberty to use the Calandar Year Jan. 1 - Dec. 31 for the X series. FN used the Fiscal Year July-June. Other factors need to be taken into consideration to properly date your gun. I found what I thought was a very early 1948 Sweet Sixteen based on the serial number. Browning informed me the gun left the factory in 1955. 1909 1 - 3200 1910 to 1914 There is only vague info about 16 ga SNs in SV (page 74) for the time 1910 to 1914. SNs 3201 – 15000 were invoiced between 1st Jan. 1910 and 30th June 1913. Last shipped before the outbreak of WWI was SN 19642. 1915 to 1918 No production due to German occupation of Belgium during WWI. 1919: 19671- 20500 1920: 20501 - 22237 1921: 22238 - 24050 1922: 24051 – 26000 1923 Barrel Address (US market) BROWNING ARMS COMPANY OGDEN UTAH BROWNING’S PATENT 26001 – 28400 1924: 28401 - 35650 1925: 35651 – 40010 (app.) 1926: 40011 (app.) - 51600 1927: 51601 - 57900 1928: 57901 – 65100 1929 Ventilated barrel rib (as an option) and barrel address change to 'Ogden Utah and St Louis Mo. ' 65101 – 82750 1930 Barrel Address (US market) BROWNING ARMS COMPANY ST LOUIS MO. New choke codes replaced the choke words stamped on the barrels. 82751 – 90500 1931 90501 – 94000 1932 Introduction of the three shot Auto 3 with shorter magazine tube and shorter forearm marked “Browning 3 Shot” 94001 – 96072 1933 96073 – 96143 1934 Receiver legend Now with BROWNING and John M. Browning’s bust between “TRADE” and “MARK” 96144 – 99500 1935 99501 - 103500 1936 The 'Sweet Sixteen' was released but limited to a test market. 103501 – 105850 *1937* Introduction of the “Sweet Sixteen” sale to the public. Barrel Rib four possibilities in 1937: none, solid (hollow) rib, ventilated rib with X posts or matted finish for Sweet Sixteen (SV page 98) Barrel Ring as before or drilled with three holes on the barrels of Sweet Sixteen Safety Gold plated (Sweet Sixteen only) Trigger Gold plated (Sweet Sixteen only) Misc. “Sweet Sixteen” not separated by SN. No serial number distinction between the Sweet 16 and the Standard 16 gauge A5s. 105850 – 111000 1938: 111001 – 118200 1939: 118201 – 126123 1940: 126124 – 126175 ****1940 – 1953**** 'A' Prefix serial number on the side of the receiver, American made Browning by “Remington Arms.” 1944-1948 Post war Liberation guns, Serial number 128117-128646 'are so out of sequence there is no way to establish accurate production dates' S/V p76 [b] 1944: 126201 1948: 131738 1947 Post war Belgium made “X Prefix Series.” No serial number distinction between the Sweet 16 and the Standard 16 gauge A5. This is the “unmarked” Browning, era of the Sweet Sixteen. These are among the rarest of the A5 Sweet Sixteen but are priced as standard 16 gauge A5s in value guides. This is the first year of standard production of the 2 ¾ inch chambered 16 gauge. It is also the last year of the non-engraved sweet sixteen. The popularity and success of the Sweet Sixteen from 1937 through 1947 earned it a permanent place in Browning marketing as the 1948 engraved “Sweet Sixteen.” 1947 is also the only year the 3 shot 2 ¾ 16ga was marketed in the USA. Getting one of these extremely rare original factory issued guns at a standard gun price is a trophy in itself. 1947 – 1953 “X Prefix Series” 1947: X1001 - X13666 1948: X13667 - X23501 1949: X23502 – X34600 1950: X34601 – X43700 1951: X43701 – X59400 1952: X59401 - X77700 1953: X77701 – X99999 1948 Introduction of the “Sweet Sixteen” in script engraved on the receiver. Prior to 1948 no sweet 16 was factory engraved “Sweet Sixteen.” Glen Jensen, Browning Historian took the position with me that the true “Sweet Sixteen” was born when the receiver was engraved “Sweet Sixteen” in 1948. He acknowledged the lightweight A5 16 gauge guns produced between 1936 and 1947 are in fact Sweet Sixteen and identified as such in the factory issued catalogues. If the serial number records archived at Browning indicate the non-engraved guns are a Sweet Sixteen, Glen Jensen would issue a letter on Browning letterhead with an official seal for a fee authenticating the gun as a “Sweet Sixteen.” Since Glen Jensen's retirement in 2014, the Browning Customer Service department continues to provide research on individual guns and if records exist will issue a letter documenting requested information. 1953 – 1954 A - Series 'A' in front of or above the serial number. These guns were a transitional series between the X and the below R/S marked guns. A1-A958 1953 - 1957 R = Standard Weight, S = Sweet Sixteen 1953: S 01 – S 3700 R 01 - R 3100 1954: S 3701 – S 24850 R 3101 - R 20800 1955: S 24851 – S 49350 R 20801 - R 48750 1956: S 49351 – S 72300 R 48751 - R 74700 1957: S 72301 – S 99908 R 74701 – R 99999 1957 – 1958 Second series of 'A' prefix A Serial Number 01 November 14, 1957 and T Serial Number T229 November 24, 1957 1957-1958 A or T #01 – 10900 A Indicated Sweet Sixteen and T indicated standard 16 1958 – 1967 The single digit precedes the S and R. 8S,8R = 1958, 9S, = 1959, 0S = 1960, 7S =1967 ***1958-1977*** FN High Grade Lightweight Series May include the letters following the serial number 'SAC,B,F,N,Z' S/V p81 ***1958 #001-17595 These will have a small two digit (year 59 = 1959) number following the serial number. Some have shown up with the entire year stamped instead of the two digit year code. ***1966 - 1977 ***17595 - 26022 1964 was the last year of the “R” (4R) Standard Weight A5 16ga. 1968 – 1976 The two digit year precedes the S. 68S = 1968, 76S = 1976 1976 Japanese Production Began, however, FN still produced Browning “Made in Belgium” shotguns into 1984, SV p65. The serial number coding system changed to the serial number preceding the date code. Serial began with 1000 – 99999 followed by the model code 221 Sweet Sixteen and 171 Superlight 16 and two letter year( T=6, R=7, P=8). see Browning Website 1976 1000 221 RT – Sweet Sixteen 1000 171 RT – Superlight Sixteen 1978 1000 221 RP – Sweet Sixteen 1987 1000 221 PR – Sweet Sixteen
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Post subject: Re: Browning 16 gauge serial number dates
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Very nice. Perhaps add it as a post to the timeline thread, like Martin did with the proofmark info. Your effort is appreciated.
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Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 gauge serial number date guide
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Wow. Just bought a 1926 Browning A-5 16 ga today, serial number 421XX. The owner said the barrel was modified by a Browning to add a ring between the barrel and receiver so that it shoots 2 3/4 ammo. It also has a choke 'thingy' and a new pressure plug? that is set for low-base ammo. It was set up for his grandson, who outgrew the gun and went into Rem 1100 12 ga. I owned two Sweet 16's when I was in my late 20's - early 30's, but I don't remember anything about the pressure plug adjustments.
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I have one of the 1947 'X' 16's, X108xx. It is definitely a stealth. The barrel has the matching S/N, 108xx. I wonder what the matching S/N's do for the value to a collector? MM
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matching serial numbers are a must for guns before 1953 when they stopped doing this.
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I have one of the 1947 'X' 16's, X108xx. It is definitely a stealth. The barrel has the matching S/N, 108xx. I wonder what the matching S/N's do for the value to a collector? MM
If you remove the butt stock, the serial number is repeated there also.
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Thanks for taking the time to pull this information together. Some of the earliest ones imported in 1923 had the barrel address 'Browning Brothers Company Ogden Utah'. I have one and know of 2 others. Will
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My 1926 has Browning Arms Company Ogden Utah. It would be interesting what the 1924 and 1925 models had.
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Last bump unless someone else thinks this is important too.
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Does anyone know anything about the 1936 Sweet Sixteen ? Has anyone seen one?
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1936 Sweet Sixteen test market gun, all original, matching numbers http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php .. sc&start=0
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So, if I have a 16 gauge and the serial number starts with X561, that is a 1951, correct? I am sorry to ask a silly question. I am not familiar with this gun or any antique shotguns. My husband inherited it from his grandfather and we are trying to find out more about it (not to sell it, for personal knowledge).
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Hi, Welcome to SGW. Dating these old guns are at best an educated guess. The dates listed here are based on records/logs with the range of dates. I found three different lists but these dates seem to be the best. My experience has been that you are correct in guessing along with us that your gun is dated 1951. It may have in fact have been produced in 1951 but left Browning one to three years before or after 1951. It gets complicated as to why some were early or late. Thanks for the opportunity to answer a great question. Please feel free to ask other questions you may have on that gun.
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Hi, Welcome to SGW. Dating these old guns are at best an educated guess. The dates listed here are based on records/logs with the range of dates. I found three different lists but these dates seem to be the best. My experience has been that you are correct in guessing along with us that your gun is dated 1951. It may have in fact have been produced in 1951 but left Browning one to three years before or after 1951. It gets complicated as to why some were early or late. Thanks for the opportunity to answer a great question. Please feel free to ask other questions you may have on that gun.
My first post. Thank you for putting together this information. Could you please explain how a gun could have left Browning one to three years before it was 'produced'? I am interpreting 'produced' as actually manufactured, which must not be right because then it would be an impossibility. My father just passed away and gave me his shotgun. Its serial number is S 63661, which puts it into the year 1956. However, my father always told me that he got the shotgun as a high school graduation present, which would mean sometime around 1949 or 1950. And I am fairly certain that I have a picture of him, misplaced right now, that show him with the shotgun in the earliest 50's.
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Hi Ronyahski, Thanks for your response and question. The date discrepancies are due to three factors: 1) The FN factory stamped serial number, 2) The FN/Browning inventory date, 3) The Browning shipping/sale date. I now own 7 collectable (to me) Browning A5s. I have called the Browning historian on each to discover all I can about each gun including when the gun left the Browning factory. No factory records could be found on three. The Browning historian informed me of the dates four of my guns were sold and shipped from Browning. I have letters on Browning letterhead on three of my guns. Of the four guns with factory records, two had serial numbers that matched the published serial number dates listed in The Book 'Browning Auto-5 Shotguns' HM Shirley, Anthony Vanderlinden. One gun left Browning one year after the published serial number date. One gun left Browning two years before the published serial number date. The gun that left Browning a year later is easy to explain. It was manufactured in Belgium and had the serial number stamped in 1946. It was shipped to the Browning warehouse in November of 1946 and has a serial number date 1946. It was sold and shipped from Browning to a customer in 1947. The letter dates the gun as a 1947 gun. It is a contender for the earliest (lowest serial number) A5 Light Twelve made. The A5 Light Twelve was not available until 1947. This was all during the first year of production after WWII. This gun was held in the Browning warehouse until someone ordered an A5 Light Twelve. A gun configured a certain way may sit in the warehouse, weeks, months or years until that configuration was ordered. As I mentioned earlier in my post I found a 1948 serial numbered gun that left Browning in the 50s. My other gun was custom ordered. The special custom order was sent to the Belgium FN factory by Browning 1935. There were thousands of barrels, receivers and other parts on hand and in stock at that time. In 1935 parts were made years before they became a finished gun and logged into Browning inventory. In 1935 my gun was made with the most recent available parts. These parts were stamped with a serial number that would normally have made it into the 1938 inventory as a complete gun. In 1935 the Belgium custom shop took the fresh parts and assembled the gun with the custom configuration and shipped it to Browning in the 1936 inventory. This gun was received in the USA Browning warehouse in 1936 with a 1938 serial number. The letter from Browning shows the special order configuration and date it was shipped to the customer, early 1936. This type of scenario is outlined in 'The Book.' Some owners/collectors declare the serial number date. Some owners/collectors declare the Browning factory issue date. Hope this helps.
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FN mod. 1922 late production with bakelite grips and holster
01-27-2013, 10:27 PM
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FN mod. 1922 late production with bakelite grips and holster
I'm not super sure about when it was produced. but I believe 1944. Apparently before they ran out of bakelite grips, and the finish was still pretty darn good. We have two of the later war examples with wood grips and worse finish. it has a black holster that goes with. I didn't snap a pic but will tomorrow. It is unmarked but looks good to me. the FN: any comments welcome!
01-28-2013, 08:12 AM
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The FN gripes were used on the early occupation guns. After they ran out, the checked wood grips were used.
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01-28-2013, 10:05 AM
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These seem to be original bakelite from what I can tell? Not sure what the deal is..
01-29-2013, 04:58 AM
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Helo there, Late pistols that are WaA 140 marked in no prefix, a,b and c prefix normally have wooden grips. I have them in my collection. WaA 613 and WaA 103 marked pistols mostly have bakelite grips. That does not mean there are none with wooden grips. As it is a late b serial number maybe they found some bakelite grips in the factory they used up. Do de grips have a space for a lanyard ring? The grips look original to me. Regards, Nolle
01-29-2013, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by nolle47
Helo there, Late pistols that are WaA 140 marked in no prefix, a,b and c prefix normally have wooden grips. I have them in my collection. WaA 613 and WaA 103 marked pistols mostly have bakelite grips. That does not mean there are none with wooden grips. As it is a late b serial number maybe they found some bakelite grips in the factory they used up. Do de grips have a space for a lanyard ring? The grips look original to me. Regards, Nolle
no there is no place for lanyard ring. they look bakelite to me. on the back I can see the 'flecks' of bakelite. they do not look or feel like modern (even semi-modern) plastic. one side is marked '1' and one side is marked '2'
01-30-2013, 04:21 AM
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Hello, They look ok to me. Nice pistol by the way. nolle
01-30-2013, 10:02 AM
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Thank you Nolle. I will try to remember to take a photo of the holster tonight.
02-24-2013, 05:42 PM
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still need to take a pic of the holster. have been very busy re-doing our whole house one thing I noticed that is odd about this pistol: it DOES NOT have a magazine safety. and it's not as if someone removed it.. it doesn't even have the hole for the pin in the frame. I thought all of these 1922's had a magazine safety?? has anyone seen one without this safety?
02-25-2013, 07:49 PM
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I thought all of these 1922's had a magazine safety?? has anyone seen one without this safety?
It looks like a nice example of a late FN 1922. They are a favourite of mine. Regarding the lack of mag safety, the Germans abandoned it in the middle of the 'a' suffix serial block,in 1943 (see Vanderlinden's 'FN Browning Pistols', p. 247). All the best, Douglas
02-25-2013, 09:48 PM
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thank you for the info! right now I can't afford every book I wish I had. what are your opinions on the grips? seems odd that they are bakelite. although as suggested earlier it's possibly factory, or perhaps the soldier traded them out for bakelite? here are pics of the holster. I thought it was black it has been so long since I've had it out of the safe. it's unmarked.
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